Journals of the Senate
2 Charles III , A.D. 2023, Canada
1st Session, 44th Parliament
Issue 142 (Unrevised)
Tuesday, September 26, 2023
2 p.m.
The Honourable RAYMONDE GAGNÉ, Speaker
The Members convened were:
The Honourable Senators
AndersonArnotAtaullahjanAudetteBattersBellemareBlackBoehmBoisvenuBonifaceBrazeauBussonCarignanCordyCormierCotterCoyleDagenaisDalphondDaskoDeacon (Nova Scotia)Deacon (Ontario)DeanDowneDuncanDupuisForestFrancisGagnéGerbaGignacGoldGreeneGreenwoodHarderHartlingHousakosKlyneKutcherLaBoucane-BensonLoffredaMacAdamMacDonaldManningMarshallMartinMassicotteMcCallumMcPhedranMégieMiville-DechêneMocklerMoncionMoodieOhOmidvarOslerPatePatterson (Nunavut)Patterson (Ontario)PetitclercPettenPlettPoirierProsperQuinnRavaliaRichardsRinguetteSeidmanSimonsSmithSorensenTannasVernerWallinWellsWhiteWooYussuff
The Members in attendance to business were:
The Honourable Senators
AndersonArnotAtaullahjanAudetteBattersBellemareBlackBoehmBoisvenuBonifaceBrazeauBussonCarignanCordyCormierCotterCoyleDagenaisDalphondDaskoDeacon (Nova Scotia)Deacon (Ontario)DeanDowneDuncanDupuisForestFrancisGagné*GalvezGerbaGignacGoldGreeneGreenwoodHarderHartlingHousakosKlyneKutcherLaBoucane-BensonLoffredaMacAdamMacDonaldManningMarshallMartinMassicotteMcCallumMcPhedranMégieMiville-DechêneMocklerMoncionMoodieOhOmidvarOslerPatePatterson (Nunavut)Patterson (Ontario)PetitclercPettenPlettPoirierProsperQuinnRavaliaRichardsRinguetteSeidmanSimonsSmithSorensenTannasVernerWallinWellsWhiteWooYussuff
The first list records senators present in the Senate Chamber during the course of the sitting.
An asterisk in the second list indicates a senator who, while not present during the sitting, was in attendance to business, as defined in subsections 8(2) and (3) of the Senators Attendance Policy.
PRAYERS
Senators’ Statements
Some Honourable Senators made statements.
The Senate observed a minute of silence in memory of Constable Rick O’Brien of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, who was killed, and two other officers who were injured, in Coquitlam, British Columbia, on September 22.
ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS
Presenting or Tabling Reports from Committees
The Honourable Senator Cotter presented the following:
Tuesday, September 26, 2023
The Standing Senate Committee on Legal and Constitutional Affairs has the honour to present its
SIXTEENTH REPORT
Your committee, to which was referred Bill S-212, An Act to amend the Criminal Records Act, to make consequential amendments to other Acts and to repeal a regulation, has, in obedience to the order of reference of November 3, 2022, examined the said bill and now reports the same with the following amendments:
1.Clause 11, pages 6 and 7:
(a) On page 6,
(i) replace line 31 with the following:
“(3) The prior approval of the Minister is not required
(a) for”, and
(ii) replace line 35 with the following:
“that has been imposed for an offence; and
(b) to disclose the existence of the record to a police force in prescribed circumstances when that police force considers the disclosure to be desirable in the interest of the administration of justice or for any purpose related to the safety or security of Canada or any state allied or associated with Canada.”; and
(b) on page 7, delete lines 28 to 34.
2.Clause 21, page 10: Add the following after line 14:
“(c.12) prescribing circumstances for the purposes of paragraph 6.1(3)(b);”.
3.Clause 24, page 11: Replace line 6 with the following:
“(Subsection 6.3(2) and sections 7 and 7.2)”.
4.Clause 25, page 11: Replace line 10 with the following:
“(Subsection 6.3(2) and sections 7 and 7.2)”.
Respectfully submitted,
BRENT COTTER
Chair
The Honourable Senator Cotter moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Boniface, that the report be placed on the Orders of the Day for consideration at the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Introduction and First Reading of Senate Public Bills
The Honourable Senator MacDonald introduced Bill S-277, Act respecting a framework to strengthen Canada–Taiwan relations.
The bill was read the first time.
The Honourable Senator MacDonald moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Housakos, that the bill be placed on the Orders of the Day for a second reading two days hence.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Tabling of Reports from Interparliamentary Delegations
The Honourable Senator Forest tabled the following:
Report of the Canadian Branch of the Assemblée parlementaire de la Francophonie, Meeting of the Bureau of the Assemblée parlementaire de la Francophonie, Papeete, French Polynesia, France, January 28 to February 2, 2023.—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-1941.
Report of the Canadian Branch of the Assemblée parlementaire de la Francophonie, Parliamentary Mission to the United Nations, New York, New York, United States of America, March 14 and 15, 2023.—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-1942.
Report of the Canadian Branch of the Assemblée parlementaire de la Francophonie, Meeting of the APF Political Committee and the Working Group on Reforming the APF Constitution, Paris, France, April 17 to 20, 2023.—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-1943.
Orders of the Day
Government Business
Bills – Second Reading
Order No. 1 was called and postponed until the next sitting.
Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Moodie, seconded by the Honourable Senator Cormier, for the second reading of Bill C-35, An Act respecting early learning and child care in Canada.
After debate,
The Honourable Senator Martin moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Carignan, P.C., that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Downe, seconded by the Honourable Senator Verner, P.C., for the second reading of Bill C-42, An Act to amend the Canada Business Corporations Act and to make consequential and related amendments to other Acts.
After debate,
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted, on division.
The bill was then read the second time.
The Honourable Senator Downe moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Verner, P.C., that the bill be referred to the Standing Senate Committee on Banking, Commerce and the Economy.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Reports of Committees – Other
Orders No. 7, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16 and 17 were called and postponed until the next sitting.
Motions
Order No. 1 was called and postponed until the next sitting.
The Honourable Senator LaBoucane-Benson moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Duncan:
That, notwithstanding any provision of the Rules, previous order, or usual practice, until the end of the day on June 30, 2024, any joint committee be authorized to hold hybrid meetings, with the provisions of the order of February 10, 2022, concerning such meetings, having effect; and
That a message be sent to the House of Commons to acquaint that house accordingly.
The Honourable Senator Martin moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Seidman, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Inquiries
Orders No. 3, 4 and 5 were called and postponed until the next sitting.
Other Business
Senate Public Bills – Second Reading
Orders No. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10 were called and postponed until the next sitting.
Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Ringuette, seconded by the Honourable Senator Ravalia, for the second reading of Bill S-239, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (criminal interest rate).
The Honourable Senator Petitclerc moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Duncan, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Orders No. 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29 and 30 were called and postponed until the next sitting.
Second reading of Bill S-275, An Act to amend the Bank of Canada Act (mandate, monetary policy governance and accountability).
The Honourable Senator Bellemare moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Klyne, that the bill be read the second time.
After debate,
The Honourable Senator Martin moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Seidman, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Order No. 32 was called and postponed until the next sitting.
Commons Public Bills – Second Reading
Orders No. 1, 2, 3 and 4 were called and postponed until the next sitting.
Second reading of Bill C-282, An Act to amend the Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development Act (supply management).
The Honourable Senator Gerba moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Klyne, that the bill be read the second time.
After debate,
The Honourable Senator Martin moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Seidman, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Orders No. 6 and 7 were called and postponed until the next sitting.
Private Bills – Second Reading
Order No. 1 was called and postponed until the next sitting.
Reports of Committees – Other
Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Moncion, seconded by the Honourable Senator Yussuff, for the adoption of the seventh report of the Standing Committee on Internal Economy, Budgets and Administration, entitled Senate Budget 2023-24, presented in the Senate on February 7, 2023.
After debate,
A point of order was raised with respect to the relevance of debate.
SPEAKER'S RULING
I appreciate the point of order. However, if we have an Order Paper, it is because there is an order of issues that we want to discuss and be efficient in our debates. The current item that we are debating is a motion by Senator Moncion, seconded by Senator Yussuff, for the adoption of the seventh report of the Standing Committee on Internal Economy, Budgets and Administration, entitled The Senate Budget 2020-24, which was presented in the Senate on February 7, 2023.
Senator Housakos, please focus on this particular issue.
Other Business
Reports of Committees – Other
The Senate resumed debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Moncion, seconded by the Honourable Senator Yussuff, for the adoption of the seventh report of the Standing Committee on Internal Economy, Budgets and Administration, entitled Senate Budget 2023-24, presented in the Senate on February 7, 2023.
The Honourable Senator Housakos moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Martin:
That the Senate do now adjourn.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted on the following vote:
YEAS
The Honourable Senators
AtaullahjanAudetteBattersBellemareBoehmBoisvenuBonifaceBussonCarignanCordyCormierCotterCoyleDagenaisDaskoDeacon (Ontario)DeanDowneDuncanDupuisFrancisGerbaGoldGreeneGreenwoodHarderHartlingHousakosKlyneKutcherLaBoucane-BensonLoffredaMacAdamMacDonaldManningMarshallMartinMassicotteMcPhedranMégieMiville-DechêneMocklerMoodieOhOslerPatterson (Ontario)PetitclercPettenPlettPoirierProsperQuinnRavaliaRinguetteSeidmanSimonsVernerWellsWhiteWooYussuff—61
NAYS
The Honourable Senators
ForestOmidvarPate—3
ABSTENTIONS
The Honourable Senators
Nil
ADJOURNMENT
At 5:59 p.m., pursuant to the order adopted by the Senate earlier today, the Senate adjourned until 2 p.m., tomorrow.
DOCUMENTS DEPOSITED WITH THE CLERK OF THE SENATE PURSUANT TO RULE 14-1(7)
Amendments to the Management Plan for the Torngat Mountains National Park of Canada, pursuant to the Canada National Parks Act, S.C. 2000, c. 32, sbs. 11(2).—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-1934.
Report of the Office of the Parliamentary Budget Officer entitled A Force Structure Model of Canada’s Military – Costs and Personnel, pursuant to the Parliament of Canada Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. P-1, sbs. 79.2(2).—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-1935.
Copy of the Regulations Amending the Special Economic Measures (Russia) Regulations (P.C. 2023-899), pursuant to the Special Economic Measures Act, S.C. 1992, c. 17, sbs. 7(1).—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-1936.
Copy of the Regulations Amending the Special Economic Measures (Haiti) Regulations (P.C. 2023-900), pursuant to the Special Economic Measures Act, S.C. 1992, c. 17, sbs. 7(1).—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-1937.
Actuarial Report on the Employment Insurance Premium Rate, together with the Summary, for the year 2024, pursuant to the Employment Insurance Act, S.C. 1996, c. 23, sbs. 66.31(1).—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-1938.
Reports of the Office of the Commissioner of Official Languages for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2023, pursuant to the Access to Information Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. A-1, sbs. 94(2) and to the Privacy Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. P-21, sbs. 72(2).—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-1939.
Government response, dated September 22, 2023, to the second report (final) of the Standing Senate Committee on Official Languages, entitled Francophone immigration to minority communities: towards a bold, strong and coordinated approach, tabled in the Senate on March 30, 2023.—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-1940S.
(Pursuant to rule 12-23(4), the report and the response were deemed referred to the Standing Senate Committee on Official Languages.)
Changes in Membership of Committees Pursuant to Rule 12-5
Standing Senate Committee on Agriculture and Forestry
The Honourable Senator Pate was added to the membership (September 25, 2023).
Standing Senate Committee on Indigenous Peoples
The Honourable Senator Busson replaced the Honourable Senator Greenwood (September 26, 2023).
Standing Committee on Internal Economy, Budgets and Administration
The Honourable Senator MacDonald was added to the membership (September 22, 2023).
The Honourable Senator Marshall was removed from the membership of the committee, substitution pending (September 22, 2023).
Standing Senate Committee on National Finance
The Honourable Senator Moncion was removed from the membership of the committee, substitution pending (September 25, 2023).
Standing Senate Committee on National Security, Defence and Veterans Affairs
The Honourable Senator Cardozo replaced the Honourable Senator Gignac (September 26, 2023).
The Honourable Senator Gignac replaced the Honourable Senator Cardozo (September 25, 2023).
The Honourable Senator Woo was added to the membership (September 22, 2023).